March 10, 2011

Wolf P. Wolf P.
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[Question] template feature for QtDN wikis

 

MediaWiki, the software that keeps Wikipedia running, has an inclusion capability. It can be (and is heavily) used for building so-called template pages. These are included within thematically connected wiki pages to build a navigation menu.

Has our wiki engine a similar feature? If not: can it be implemented?

One use case can be read here http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/4355/

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March 10, 2011

mariusg mariusg
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Sorry no, the wiki doesn’t have this feature and it’s far too deep into the wiki software for us to do it on our own.

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March 10, 2011

Wolf P. Wolf P.
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:-( What a pity!

…and who decided to use just this wiki engine, and when and why?

March 10, 2011

mariusg mariusg
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Wolf P. wrote:
…and who decided to use just this wiki engine, and when and why?

Me, late 2009, because integrating MediaWiki and ExpressionEngine would require an unproportionate amount of resources spent on low level integrations instead of getting devnet on the air.

It might sound like a fun engineering challenge – and I’m sure it is – but not for a 2 man team that wants to get stuff done :)

It was a reality check based on something like this:

  • 2x template code
  • endless account integration headaches
  • 3x work on performance
  • 2x work on high availability
  • non-uniform dev, stage and production environments
  • ongoing matching issues with EE and MW releases
  • 3x work for cross site features (tag, rating, points, syntax highlighting)
  • 2x things to know to do content maintenance
  • mediawiki has a ton of features that will never be used
  • 2x vulnerability potential
  • 2x weird config settings that can be set wrong and cause issues

And so on.

I think I’ve said it before here, but we can at any point decide to switch to MediaWiki if the benefit/disadvantage equation above turns positive.

I did the same math for using a different forum software as well, no doubt dedicated solutions like phpBB or vBulletin could do a great job as our forum.

One could be tempted to think of this as a lesson learned from Nokia at large, but don’t, it’s not :)

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March 10, 2011

Wolf P. Wolf P.
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Oh, thanks for the effort and the full report. :)

Although I love MediaWiki somehow, I think it would be an overkill.

…what about

  • MoinMoin or
  • DokuWiki or even
  • Trac? or
  • something else [wikimatrix.org]BTW: Textile [textism.com] isn’t listed there (??)

March 10, 2011

mariusg mariusg
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I should have been more precise, MediaWiki was just an example. Replacing the native ExpressionEngine wiki engine with “any other” engine presents nearly the same challenges. :)

It’s the eternal “best of breed” vs. “one stop shop” discussion, for devnet the “one stop shop” won – so far. The future is bright, maybe one day the limited functionality of the native wiki engine warrants all the extra effort above to get a dedicated wiki engine. We’re not there yet though.

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