Points and Wiki
I realize how difficult a challenge this is in the first place (and I swear that this isn’t related to either Project Elf or the status symbol that is the badge!), but I wanted to point out a bit of a flaw IMHO in how points and wiki entries relate.
I don’t know that this is “normal”, but when I write a wiki entry, it usually takes me six to twelve hours of work. (Consider the “Grammatical number” page on QtCentre – that one was closer to sixteen hours!)
Perhaps there could be a system where a new wiki page starts out at a low value, and if the page gets a lot of views, or gets marked as useful, or something like that – then the number of points it is worth would go up in proportion to either page-views, or the length of the entry, or some such?
Just my two [small-worth coin of your choice]…
I personally prefer a gratification system based on quality of content too. I see that is kind of unfair that one that invests a reasonable amount of time to create a good wiki article is rewarded the same points as someone who just does some copy’n‘paste from an API docs.
But I also see, that it is difficult to implement that and at the moment the focus here on DevNet is to generate content, hence the rewarding of quantity. Let’s see what the future brings to us. If the site has grown to a critical mass, the system might be changed.
API docs.I personally prefer a gratification system based on quality of content too. I see that is kind of unfair that one that invests a reasonable amount of time to create a good wiki article is rewarded the same points as someone who just does some copy’n‘paste from an
I agree Volker, when I answer and solve someone’s problem, a simple thanks from the user brings a lot of gratification … I don’t remember how many points I earned at the end of the day, but I do remember that I solved those 3 problems. Lets wait for the new scoring system that the devnet team is working on based on “thank you” …
Gordon, fair enough. But not sure that it will not lead to abusing this system. Maybe based on views and rateups ?
You are right – view count is not a good choice, I retract that thought. Perhaps something like Google’s algorithm (people who have good ratings marking something as good boost it much more than people with poor or no rating…?)
It’s clear, that we need a good enough rating system, as Marius said. The thanks system is good enough I think. But we also have to think about wikis, that someone edited for hours, and some other member just modificated it a little bit. I now, that is not to easy to implement (maybe based on the number of charaters, and number of times it was edited by the same user), but if it worths 1 point/per x thanks, then the person who added the most value to it, he/she should get more points than who “just” wrote 1-2 sentences. It can be done, by raising the number of /thanks for the other member.
This discussion really makes me wish I had a few extra web dev guys and a spare week to really dig into making a point system that has higher ambitions than “good enough”. I hope maybe we can distill our collective wisdom down to something that is fairly easy to implement (and scales). And go from there.
Thanks for all the comments on wiki and points, you guys are great, I hope all of you win in one week or the other this December :)
Off Topic: I logged on a minute ago and it showed 656 unread posts. My first thought was “oh dear, did the spammers get us?” Then I realized I was using another browser than usual, it hadn’t been here for a few days :)