I believe Apple Animation Framework is what Qt C++ GUI have to follow

Yes, we REALLY need a (of course: ansi/iso standard) C++ cross platform desktop framework!

I voted top without really voting, so you can subtract my vote from “No, I am perfectly happy…” I was just curious about the results :P

I assume because you didn’t trust me when I told you the ratio :) It must have sounded too improbable, unbelievable ;)

temp wrote:

I assume because you didn’t trust me when I told you the ratio :) It must have sounded too improbable, unbelievable ;)

Actually, not at all. I was curious to see the actual numbers, and if we’re talking 50, 500 or 5000 votes. :P

Pardon me, I just have this idea that the trolls are very concrete in the view QML is all that is needed for GUI development, so it could come as a surprise if lots of developers disagree.

I actually asked mlong if it is possible to put the poll in a more visible place like the main page or something. This way it will bulk up faster and give a more definite view what percent of Qt developers are interested in a new and better C++ GUI API.

In a perfect world, both options would be worded much more carefully (and neutrally.) It’s very easy to slant a poll’s results by the wording of the options. Some pollsters make a tidy living doing such.

temp wrote:

I actually asked mlong if it is possible to put the poll in a more visible place like the main page or something. This way it will bulk up faster and give a more definite view what percent of Qt developers are interested in a new and better C++ GUI API.

Tricky. I’d rather not promote single threads, it will open a can of worms. And that is regardless of the topic. :P But of course, you’re free to push it through your online channels, whichever they may be. :)

mlong wrote:

In a perfect world, both options would be worded much more carefully (and neutrally.) It’s very easy to slant a poll’s results by the wording of the options. Some pollsters make a tidy living doing such.

Writing survey (or interview) questions is an art. There are complete books on the topic.

Hmmm! 2/3 for us, we lead :)

mlong wrote:

In a perfect world, both options would be worded much more carefully (and neutrally.) It’s very easy to slant a poll’s results by the wording of the options. Some pollsters make a tidy living doing such.

I’ll admit to giving directionality to the wording, but after all, QML is here to stay, it doesn’t need justification, more important is to present its drawbacks, since those are a significant part of the reasons we need the option to skip all that not-really-necessary stuff. Also, the benefits of QML have been promoted at a large scale on DEV talks, the LABS and BLOG sections and what not, we all know the benefits but I never saw any blog post or tech talk focus on its drawbacks, so I did, for the sake of objectivity and restoring neutrality by providing the “other side of the story”.

Also, in a perfect world Qt would have an awesome, hardware accelerated, fragment shader painting, openCL advanced blending C++ GUI, so this poll wouldn’t even exist ;)

I voted “yes”, but only because QML is not a golden bullet. But I’m also 100% sure that the Trolls know that.

And IMHO some people are just blowing stuff out of proportion when b..ing about Qt5 being too QMLcentric.

#1 C++ will always be a core language for Qt (I love C++ and can’t imagine it being anyother way)
#2 Most of the time QML actually improves your software architecture by drawing more solid lines between the front-end and the back-end.
#3 It’s not like C++ support has been dropped or anything.

Also, the benefits of QML have been promoted at a large scale on DEV talks, the LABS and BLOG sections and what not, we all know the benefits but I never saw any blog post or tech talk focus on its drawbacks.

Hmm, why not write such a blog post then, maybe with some benchmarks showing how terribly slow QML is, or how much glue code and proxy objects is needed compared to a hypothetical pure C++ API? I presume you have some experience backing up your claims?

I think that in a perfect world, C++ API and QML are equal. In addition, I would be happy if there is an easy tool for converting between the QML and C++ code. But the world is not perfect, so I say, “Yes, we need a native C++ GUI API”. Maybe I even prefer it to be incompatible with the old one to make it faster and better, but without losing the existing features (AFAIK in Qt5 we lose some functionality of QMainWindow based on QWidget while having QWindow class).

Does Qt, a C++ framework/GUI toolkit, need a modern C++ GUI API?

Seriously? Is this really being asked?

If anyone believes that with C++ you can write modern GUI, so be it.

Wrong tool.