April 12, 2012

broadpeak broadpeak
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Rumour: Nokia to be split?

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Nokia Running Out of Time (and Qt?)?

Bloomberg:
Nokia Sales Slump Puts Pressure on Elop to Consider Split

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-11/nokia-sales-slump-puts-pressure-on-elop-to-consider-split.html

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April 12, 2012

Andre Andre
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I split off this topic from the topic on Nokia’s commitment to C++ because it is unrelated if you ask me.

April 13, 2012

qtnext qtnext
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hopes that this year will not be the death of a non born os (meltemi) like Meego last year … and NokiaCrosoft without Qt :(

April 13, 2012

mlong mlong
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Just have to remember that rumors are just rumors.

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April 13, 2012

veeraps veeraps
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Rumor spreads faster than TRUTH! ;-)

April 13, 2012

Jayakrishnan.M Jayakrishnan..
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The following is taken from the link.

‘ Speaking on a conference call yesterday, Elop, a former Microsoft executive who took the helm at Nokia in September 2010, said the Finnish company may prioritize certain devices and markets at the expense of others. ‘

This simply means to promote WP at the expense of others.

April 13, 2012

Andre Andre
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Jayakrishnan.M wrote:
The following is taken from the link.

‘ Speaking on a conference call yesterday, Elop, a former Microsoft executive who took the helm at Nokia in September 2010, said the Finnish company may prioritize certain devices and markets at the expense of others. ‘

This simply means to promote WP at the expense of others.


There is no foundation for your conclusion, I think. At least, I don’t see any.

April 13, 2012

Jayakrishnan.M Jayakrishnan..
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Andre wrote:

Jayakrishnan.M wrote:
The following is taken from the link.

‘ Speaking on a conference call yesterday, Elop, a former Microsoft executive who took the helm at Nokia in September 2010, said the Finnish company may prioritize certain devices and markets at the expense of others. ‘

This simply means to promote WP at the expense of others.


There is no foundation for your conclusion, I think. At least, I don’t see any.

But then what is the meaning of Elop’s comments. WP is already number 1 priority for Nokia. But what does ‘prioritize certain devices and markets at expense of others ‘ really mean ? I like to be wrong here hope that Meltemi get atleast some importance.

April 13, 2012

Lukas Geyer Lukas Geyer
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Adnaan Ahmad again. Well, enough said.

If you want a serious analysis of the situation of Nokia speak to the organ grinder [communities-dominate.blogs.com], not to the monkey.

April 13, 2012

Deleted Member # 1de04 Deleted Member # 1de04
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So the sollution is to fire Elop (out of a cannon and into the sun preferably ;) )

He announced he will end Symbian (and shortly thereafter, the Ovi store too) and that he will not proceed to the promised migration path of MeeGo, the Linux based future smartphone OS, and that the migration path, via the Nokia Qt development tool was ended. And that it would be replaced by Microsoft’s Windows Phone

Elop killed the Qt migration path. But Nokia still owns Qt and keeps developing it with tiny budget and slowly. If Nokia’s CEO or Chairman were to say the end of Qt was a mistake, and were to apologize in public to all developers, and to announce Qt will be fully funded and developed rapidly, to support Nokia Symbian, Nokia S40, Nokia MeeGo, Nokia Maemo, Nokia Meltemi – and Android and Blackberry (And bada, Limo and Tizen) – this would show that Symbian is not ‘dead’.

Official Android support sounds about as naive as my own dead hopes for a contemporary C++ GUI front end. Unofficially, it doesn’t seem like Necessitas moved even an inch the last few months, it “works” but there are so many features missing or broken, many of which essential to mobile development.

I played with an iPad3 yesterday and as much as I despise Apple I have to give them the credit for sustaining an amazingly good platform API, in this regard Google with their billions of dollars are doing a lousy job with Android to say the least, not to mention what Nokia does. Google should be grateful to companies like Nokia, excellent at doing the wrong decisions and clear all that market share for an easy taking over, for any semi-decent Android alternative would be better, Android sucks in so many ways it just speaks a lot about how pathetic the industry is considering as bad as Android is there is nothing to compete with it. Dalvik and “Java” (not really but still close enough) orientation for a mobile platform, limited in terms of memory capacity and processing power – that was a very bad idea, I’ve always been looking down on iDiots with their bragging how smoother iOS is, but it is, as bad as Apple is at least they keep it native, and don’t enforce inferior technologies on their developer base like some other * cough * companies. Not that I am in favor of Objetive-C, it is one of the UGLIEST WAYS to enhance C, if not THE UGLIEST, but I don’t think anyone ever expected Apple to NOT push proprietary standards. But at least it is native, not some VM or interpreter based solution.

I cannot shake the feeling if Nokia didn’t buy Qt, the framework would have been in a much better shape today – still dedicated to C++ and without restrictions to target “competitor platforms” such as Android and iOS?

April 13, 2012

Jayakrishnan.M Jayakrishnan..
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If Meltemi and the new BB10 phones become popular it would give Qt a big push on Mobile. Seems Qt’s mobile future depends on these. This may also increase the interest in Necessitas. Only 2-3 people are working on Necessitas at present.

April 13, 2012

Andre Andre
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Note that there is also work in progress to use Qt on BlackBerry OSs. The code is already in the main repo, and I just spotted a job add for developers wanting to work on it.

But yes, I know BB is having a difficult time as well…

April 13, 2012

gmaro gmaro
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Amaizingly fast spreading bad rumors about Nokia reminds me something:

Douglas Adams wrote:
‚ÄúNothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.”

:)

April 13, 2012

broadpeak broadpeak
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Sorry, but the market statistics is not a rumor!
We can make joke about this, but at the and we will be very sad…
As I see the fresh Qt download site: Symbian and Meego is THE mobile features. Yeah! Symbian is at 1%, Meego (N9) is unvisible! (BlackBerry, who are they? iOS has an own dev env, Android has an own dev env.) Nokia put all of the “force” on the WP7 line.
I can’t see the Qt’s future in this segment of the market…
I hope that the Qt will be purchased by Intel (or something similar). Where Qt could be better: a cross/multi platform desktop C++ framework.
What we really need is, a really good cross/multi platform (of course: ANSI/ISO standard) C++ framework!

April 13, 2012

mlong mlong
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a cross/multi platform desktop C++ framework

Isn’t this what Qt has already been for about two decades now? Mobile is the new kid on the block with Qt.

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April 13, 2012

Andre Andre
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broadpeak wrote:
Sorry, but the market statistics is not a rumor!

No, though it would help a lot to understand what the figures you show actually mean. Just showing percentages isn’t helpful.

What is rumour though, is the idea that Nokia’s issues would lead to some sort of split, and that that would be bad for Qt. That is something that you cannot determine from the list of percentages you give, even if you would know what those percentages would mean.

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