October 27, 2010

Denis Kormalev Denis Kormalev
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Wiki edit and points

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Multiple editing of one wiki article don’t give multiple points (and this is correct). But sequential changes on different wiki pages don’t give points also, only for first edit.

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October 29, 2010

Gurudutt Gurudutt
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Yes that’s correct, system gives point for first wiki edit in a day.

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October 30, 2010

Deleted Member # 4a2 Deleted Member # 4a2
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hi gurudutt, that has to be added to the bug list, what denis says is right, every wiki page if edited should give points, but only one edit per wiki page should earn points. Repeat edits should not

November 1, 2010

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wouldn’t it be easy to identify if only white spaces were edited or if content was changed, but again you have to filter out spelling corrections .. I’d say how about identifying if at least one new sentence was changed (added/removed)? is that feasible ?

November 1, 2010

Denis Kormalev Denis Kormalev
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Chetankjain, I’m agreed that some sort of heuristic needed there, but also as developers I can’t say how it should be configured. Maybe based on number of characters changed and their entropy.

November 1, 2010

Smar Smar
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Though this is evil, only really reliable system is punishment system… Edit can 1000 lines long and just be copied from Wikipedia.

December 2, 2010

QtK QtK
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Whats the status on this? Has this issue been recognized as a bug

December 2, 2010

Alexandra Alexandra
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It’s not a bug, it’s on purpose. We’re reconsidering though.

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December 2, 2010

QtK QtK
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Alexandra Leisse wrote:
It’s not a bug, it’s on purpose. We’re reconsidering though.

thank you. I am sure the community will benefit from it.

December 2, 2010

Wolf P. Wolf P.
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Gurudutt wrote:
Yes that’s correct, system gives point for first wiki edit in a day.
I absolutely love this decision and implementation. I suppose that it reduces distrust on minor edit activities, and thus makes the everyday life calm. :)

(compared to the WikiMedia/Wikipedia edit counters)

Denis Kormalev wrote:
Chetankjain, I’m agreed that some sort of heuristic needed there, but also as developers I can’t say how it should be configured. Maybe based on number of characters changed and their entropy.
if you are serious, this seems too complicated – abuse will never be repressed, I’m afraid. ;)

December 3, 2010

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Wolf P. wrote:

Gurudutt wrote:
Yes that’s correct, system gives point for first wiki edit in a day.
I absolutely love this decision and implementation. I suppose that it reduces distrust on minor edit activities, and thus makes the everyday life calm. :)

Can this still be abused? Someone can start a wiki by seeing a need for it, put in the title and leave it at that. Get the maximum points and the author who fills in all the details gets points for just one edit which is much lesser than for creating the wiki … :)

December 3, 2010

xsacha xsacha
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Maybe give points based on the amount of content they added to the wiki. Only problem is you’ll get the wiki full of ‘fluff’ like high school essays.

So here’s my idea: To cover the initial points (5 is it?) for creating a wiki entry, it could be based on content BUT up to a certain limit (say 300 words) where you don’t get extra points. So the points will be available until the first 300 words of that entry are filled.

Afterwards you only get point for first edit of the day.

Edit:
In fact, it may even be better not to advertise how points are made. You can make it complicated. That way those people won’t try to work out what gets them the most points but rather just interact with the wiki/forum normally.

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December 3, 2010

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xsacha wrote:
Maybe give points based on the amount of content they added to the wiki. Only problem is you’ll get the wiki full of ‘fluff’ like high school essays.

So here’s my idea: To cover the initial points (5 is it?) for creating a wiki entry, it could be based on content BUT up to a certain limit (say 300 words) where you don’t get extra points. So the points will be available until the first 300 words of that entry are filled.

Afterwards you only get point for first edit of the day.

this might still not work, if you see the code snippets section, there can be many useful tips — some code snips which are just a couple of lines but which could be a life saver for someone really stuck with a problem … 300 words for points might not be ideal in that case

December 3, 2010

Wolf P. Wolf P.
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@xsacha, @chetankjain: This is the point where I dislike the QtDN points: It almost tempts one to focus too much on the “payment”. But the work should be done first.

We’d better ask for a more social evaluation, something like the I-like-it way of facebook. But for edits itself (and for posts), not for entire pages (or threads).

December 3, 2010

mariusg mariusg
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We will be making a change to how we award points to wiki editing that might give some of you a solid bump in points tonight when the point script does its magic. This change is retroactive.

Now it will be like this: “you get points for editing up to 5 wiki pages a day” (not the same page though)

It’s a change from: “you get points for editing only 1 wiki page a day”

For thought on the “it’s not perfect”-topic, please have a look at one of my earlier posts: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/2095/#9999

(oh dear, comment #9999) :D

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December 3, 2010

QtK QtK
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mariusg wrote:
We will be making a change to how we award points to wiki editing that might give some of you a solid bump in points tonight when the point script does its magic. This change is retroactive.

Now it will be like this: “you get points for editing up to 5 wiki pages a day” (not the same page though)

It’s a change from: “you get points for editing only 1 wiki page a day”

For thought on the “it’s not perfect”-topic, please have a look at one of my earlier posts: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/2095/#9999

(oh dear, comment #9999) :D

Will this be effective starting from today onwards. Or the points will be updated for all the past editing also.

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