December 22, 2010

Luca Luca
Ant Farmer
639 posts

why the need of non-english discussions?

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Hi all,
I’m an italian developer and sometimes my english has some errors but I think that writing in italian deny non-italian users to understand it.

Now I see a lot of topic in a lot of languages that I can’t understand. In this way I can’t support then discussion or I can’t be helped by the discussion .

What do you think about?

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December 22, 2010

Andre Andre
Robot Herder
6420 posts

Well, I am ambivalent in this issue. I have already suggested a way to at least filter out your search results to those languages you can understand. That would keep the search for new topics and the likes at least useable. There are ups and downs to being able to ask questions in your own language. On the plus side, it is often easier to express yourself, and that makes formulating a good and precise question easier. Good, well formulated questions tend to get much better answers than questions that are hard to parse. On the other hand you probably limit your audience, as less people are able to read it. So, it is something to considder on a per-user basis. Personally, I prefer to ask my questions in English, as I am fairly confident that I am able to write in that language in a way that gets my question across well enough. However, I also understand that not everyone is able to do that, and I would be willing to help somebody in Dutch, for instance.

If your command of English is of such a level that you can express your question well, then I think it makes sense to ask it in English, especially if the user community in your language is not so big. However, don’t underestimate the number of users in some languages. There have been French and Russian language Qt forums or lists for years, and probably others that I am not aware of. The number of users speaking Spanish, Portugese or Chinese also probably should not be underestimated.

December 22, 2010

Luca Luca
Ant Farmer
639 posts
Andre wrote:
The number of users speaking Spanish, Portugese or Chinese also probably should not be underestimated.

I don’t want to underestimate Spanish, Portugese or Chinese but I think that those discussions are very useless for the community other than Spanish, Portugese or Chinese .

December 22, 2010

VCsala VCsala
Lab Rat
339 posts

I am the founder the Hungarian group and we use the Hungarian forum to discuss strictly Hungarian community related issues (eg. translation, looking for Hungarian speaking developers, etc.). I beleive the main aim of the groups to somehow help the local communities and integrate them to the global Qt community.

I beleive your issue is mainly about filtering the discussion, and we already have a thread discussing this issue and I think we already have a suggestion registered in bugtracker to support this feature.

EDIT Moreover this way we can help those developers who has relatively poor English to find an interface to the community and to get support for their work.

December 22, 2010

maciej maciej
Lab Rat
67 posts

Hi Luca,
I think that non-english subforums are needed. For example you can post there some information about local events or language specific problems (like problems with text coding). For more general issues it’s obvious that such topics should be posted in other (English) subforums.

You may be interested in reading topic [developer.qt.nokia.com] about hiding group forums for non-members.

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December 22, 2010

Andre Andre
Robot Herder
6420 posts
Luca wrote:
Andre wrote:
The number of users speaking Spanish, Portugese or Chinese also probably should not be underestimated.

I don’t want to underestimate Spanish, Portugese or Chinese but I think that those discussions are very useless for the community other than Spanish, Portugese or Chinese .


If it is useful for those subcommunities, it is IMHO useful for the Qt community in general.

André

December 22, 2010

Luca Luca
Ant Farmer
639 posts
maciek wrote:
You may be interested in reading topic [developer.qt.nokia.com] about hiding group forums for non-members.

Hi maciek,
This should be useful to avoid a lot of strange posts in “Posts since last visit” :-)

December 22, 2010

Andre Andre
Robot Herder
6420 posts

I also commented on this issue in the comments of the announcement blog [developer.qt.nokia.com] for the group function.

December 22, 2010

Luca Luca
Ant Farmer
639 posts
Andre wrote:
I also commented on this issue in the comments of the announcement blog [developer.qt.nokia.com] for the group function.

I’ve seen now your posts and I’m with you .

December 22, 2010

QtK QtK
Lab Rat
1140 posts
Luca wrote:
maciek wrote:
You may be interested in reading topic [developer.qt.nokia.com] about hiding group forums for non-members.

Hi maciek,
This should be useful to avoid a lot of strange posts in “Posts since last visit” :-)

Yes, this should be fixed somehow.

December 22, 2010

mariusg mariusg
Ant Farmer
1099 posts

I’ve added a feature request that goes something like this, let me know if I forgot something:

“Since we now have language based forums we need a way for people to filter out the languages they don’t speak/understand.

Maybe a solution is to “subscribe” to the forums you want to follow, where the default is “all” but you can unselect forums from a list.

This would then show up in the “Posts since last visit” search result. And the “193 new posts” counter on the front page should also ignore forums you don’t follow.”

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December 22, 2010

Volker Volker
Ant Farmer
5428 posts

Good idea to allow subscriptions on a forum base. It’s not only languages that one does not speak, but also a pure desktop coder might not be interested in embedded or Qt Quick stuff.

December 22, 2010

changsheng230 changsheng230
Lab Rat
128 posts

Do wish that non-english sub-forum can be well positioned? Sometimes people would like to use native language talking about techinians.

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December 22, 2010

Gerolf Gerolf
Hobby Entomologist
3287 posts

Hi Marius,

I think that is the best solution. Then everyone can decide, which forums to follow and which not.

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December 22, 2010

VCsala VCsala
Lab Rat
339 posts

Yes, that will solve these issues.

December 28, 2010

CreMindES CreMindES
Lab Rat
211 posts

I’m with the last few writer and especially with VCsala, because I think it’s impossible and maddness to talk about translations in English… so non-English discussions are also needed for staff like VCsala has already mentioned above.

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